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http://Godnoliar.com/lies.htmWe're living in a day when conservative Presbyterians are calling for a return to their beloved Westminster Standards. Richard Bacon writes that, "What is needed is, indeed, a new Reformation. But when God sends that new Reformation, it is this writer's opinion that it will closely resemble the work done by the Westminster divines. We have their documents -- what we lack is the boldness to put them into practice." John Robbins says that the Westminster Confession, "ought to be believed by all Christians." Brian Schwertley writes that, "Presbyterian churches must return to a strict subscription to the Westminster Standards ... Every family should own a copy of the Westminster Standards". These men -- Robbins, Bacon etc. -- have put forth a challenge for us to adopt the Westminster Standards as our doctrine. And obviously many other ministers/writers would agree with them. Particularly in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) and the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America (RPCNA). To be a minister in the latter two denominations, you must sell your soul to the Westminster Standards! Indeed, many Reformed child know more of the Shorter Catechism off by heart, than God's Word! And a graduate from Westminster Theological Seminary (WTS) or Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS) will probably be more concerned about how much he agrees with the Westminster Standards, than the Bible itself. The size of his house may just depend on how many chapters he can "swear" to! Now, are we to listen to them? Are we to "subscribe" to the beliefs of the Westminster "Divines"?In order to answer this question, let's look at some of the contradictions / damnable heresies contained in these Standards. As with all false gospels, it will soon become clear that Satan has mixed truth and lies into these Standards. For instance, Q98 of the Shorter Catechism contains truth. Truth -- Q98: What is prayer? A: Prayer is an offering up of our desires unto God, for things agreeable to his will, in the name of Christ, with confession of our sins, and THANKFUL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HIS MERCIES.The answer to this question is correct indeed. Prayer comes out of thankfulness for the mercies of God. But, guess what? Only a few pages later, the Westminster "Divines" completely and utterly CONTRADICTED themselves, when they wrote... Heresy -- Q102: What do we pray for in the second petition? A: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come) we pray ... that the kingdom of grace may be advanced, OURSELVES and others BROUGHT INTO IT...That's strange!! How can someone pray that they may be brought into the kingdom of grace (i.e. be justified) but at the same time be "thankful" for God's mercies? Can you thank God for your justification, but ask to be justified? Could someone pray, "Lord, thank you for redeeming me from my sins, and giving me Christ's perfect righteousness," and then turn around and pray, "Now, please God bring me into the kingdom of grace ... please justify me and make me a child of God"? The only person who could pray this way, is someone with THE SPIRIT OF ERROR (contradiction).If you read the Westminster Standards further, you will see the reason why ONE Catechism actually contains TWO opposite and contradictory views on prayer. The answer lies in the fact that this one confession also teaches TWO opposite and contradictory views of justification. 1) If you read Q33 of the Shorter Catechism, you can see the TRUE view of justification, which would lead to a true view of prayer. 2) On the other hand, if you read Q85 of the Shorter Catechism, you will see a FALSE view of justification, which leads to a false view of prayer. Let's start with their statement professing the true view of justification. Here it is... Truth -- Q33: What is justification? A: Justification is an act of God's free grace, wherein he pardoneth all our sins, and accepteth us as righteous in his sight, only for the righteousness of Christ imputed to us, and received by faith alone.If someone really did believe the answer to this question -- that men are justified ONLY because Christ has obeyed the Law and NOT because of their works/love/commitments -- then that person would have "thankful acknowledgment for God's mercies". Sin would not undermine this person's assurance of salvation, because he would know that he is ALREADY perfectly right before God by Christ's work. He could pray and thank God for "His mercies" towards himself.
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http://Godnoliar.com/lies.htmWe're living in a day when conservative Presbyterians are calling for a return to their beloved Westminster Standards. Richard Bacon writes that, "What is needed is, indeed, a new Reformation. But when God sends that new Reformation, it is this writer's opinion that it will closely resemble the work done by the Westminster divines. We have their documents -- what we lack is the boldness to put them into practice." John Robbins says that the Westminster Confession, "ought to be believed by all Christians." Brian Schwertley writes that, "Presbyterian churches must return to a strict subscription to the Westminster Standards ... Every family should own a copy of the Westminster Standards". These men -- Robbins, Bacon etc. -- have put forth a challenge for us to adopt the Westminster Standards as our doctrine. And obviously many other ministers/writers would agree with them. Particularly in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) and the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America (RPCNA). To be a minister in the latter two denominations, you must sell your soul to the Westminster Standards! Indeed, many Reformed child know more of the Shorter Catechism off by heart, than God's Word! And a graduate from Westminster Theological Seminary (WTS) or Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS) will probably be more concerned about how much he agrees with the Westminster Standards, than the Bible itself. The size of his house may just depend on how many chapters he can "swear" to! Now, are we to listen to them? Are we to "subscribe" to the beliefs of the Westminster "Divines"?In order to answer this question, let's look at some of the contradictions / damnable heresies contained in these Standards. As with all false gospels, it will soon become clear that Satan has mixed truth and lies into these Standards. For instance, Q98 of the Shorter Catechism contains truth. Truth -- Q98: What is prayer? A: Prayer is an offering up of our desires unto God, for things agreeable to his will, in the name of Christ, with confession of our sins, and THANKFUL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HIS MERCIES.The answer to this question is correct indeed. Prayer comes out of thankfulness for the mercies of God. But, guess what? Only a few pages later, the Westminster "Divines" completely and utterly CONTRADICTED themselves, when they wrote... Heresy -- Q102: What do we pray for in the second petition? A: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come) we pray ... that the kingdom of grace may be advanced, OURSELVES and others BROUGHT INTO IT...That's strange!! How can someone pray that they may be brought into the kingdom of grace (i.e. be justified) but at the same time be "thankful" for God's mercies? Can you thank God for your justification, but ask to be justified? Could someone pray, "Lord, thank you for redeeming me from my sins, and giving me Christ's perfect righteousness," and then turn around and pray, "Now, please God bring me into the kingdom of grace ... please justify me and make me a child of God"? The only person who could pray this way, is someone with THE SPIRIT OF ERROR (contradiction).If you read the Westminster Standards further, you will see the reason why ONE Catechism actually contains TWO opposite and contradictory views on prayer. The answer lies in the fact that this one confession also teaches TWO opposite and contradictory views of justification. 1) If you read Q33 of the Shorter Catechism, you can see the TRUE view of justification, which would lead to a true view of prayer. 2) On the other hand, if you read Q85 of the Shorter Catechism, you will see a FALSE view of justification, which leads to a false view of prayer. Let's start with their statement professing the true view of justification. Here it is... Truth -- Q33: What is justification? A: Justification is an act of God's free grace, wherein he pardoneth all our sins, and accepteth us as righteous in his sight, only for the righteousness of Christ imputed to us, and received by faith alone.If someone really did believe the answer to this question -- that men are justified ONLY because Christ has obeyed the Law and NOT because of their works/love/commitments -- then that person would have "thankful acknowledgment for God's mercies". Sin would not undermine this person's assurance of salvation, because he would know that he is ALREADY perfectly right before God by Christ's work. He could pray and thank God for "His mercies" towards himself.

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